Wednesday, July 08, 2009

A New Primary source

Since it is not a book - I don't know if a certain reader would consider it a primary source.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html
A new encyclical. I am slowly working through it.

7 comments:

Elena said...

I never said anything about primary sources.

However, when you criticized my exposure to conservative sources, I asked you to produce other materials for me to read.

You didn't.

Then you came up with a list of things you read and listen too - all of them decidedly left of center at that.

Look Janette, if you want to listen and read liberal left-wing stuff good for you. It's a free country. But that's why you saw Obama as the great leader that he's not and that's why you were willing to lay down your core beliefs to vote for this guy.

And the result has been trillions of dollars in deficits and double digit unemployment. I'm unaware of how you can say we're better off now than at the end of the Bush administration? It boggles the mind.

Now go ahead and erase this because I know you have a problem handling the truth, which is why you don't like me calling you on it.

Incidentally, the Pope gave Obama a book on bioethics to which Obama quipped, "I needed something to read on the plane." Quite a guy that president of ours...

Janette said...

Elena-
On your comments you leave out that I referenced a number of primary source people. You neglect that for your comments. You tend to only choose the part of a comment you like to bash. So be it.
The people I watch and the editorials I read are from PRIMARY source people who happen to be on or in the particular stations or newpapers. If you watched or read what I do- you would know that. Those channels run full speeches from lots of people- working government people- not commentary from liberal or conservative news "talking heads".
The people I speak to are people actually working on issue or living them- something, again, you neglect. Do you know actual people working on actual issues outside of the Church?
I still see Obama as a person of change. He continus to propose needed change and attempt to pull our tushes out of the fire.If you aredilusional that this all started last January- you are worse off than I thought.
Personally, I prefer 10% unemployment to 25%- but you may prefer the later. The problem could have been worse- much worse. The spending out of congress for worthless things in the last 20 years has been crazy. The lack of regualtion has been worse- causing the mess that we are in. If brokerages had been monitored, the banks kept in check and people with no money had been rejected for mortgages,we could have solved health care long ago. Fortuantely, because I listen to people on the ground and the interviews- I saved most of my retirement money. How about you?
The President is the commander in chief/ head of foriegn policy. I do approve of what is happening to fix the mess in the middle east and his attempt to reach out to the rest of the world (not just Europe). What is wrong with reading something on the plane? Have you been on a plane lately?
BTW- you do know someone who is getting stimulus money- that would be your son( public works) and me(teachers). Most city services would be non existant right now without some extra help from the feds. Credit is too tight. Actually, I probably would still have a job since unemployment in my area is about 4%. Conservative states tend to run well (even with full coverage for all of the children in the state)!

Elena said...

If you watched or read what I do- you would know that.

I specifically ASKED YOU for a list of things to read. It was a direct request. You never came back with a specific list of "must reads." So I'll ask again. What "editorials" or articles, books, or internet blogs, forums etc. would you recommend?

Those channels run full speeches from lots of people

The only channel that I am aware of that runs full speeches 24/7 is C-span. All the others, including the ones you mentioned show excerpts. Maybe you can get full length speeches on their web sites but not without commentary.



The people I speak to are people actually working on issue or living them- something, again, you neglect.

I neglect speaking to people? or I neglect knowing any people living with the issues? Actually I live in the center of a midwestern city that is deeply affected by a lot of issues, unemployment being the biggie. I also am friends with families with members in the service. So I'm a little unclear on what you exactly mean in that sentence?

Do you know actual people working on actual issues outside of the Church?

I actually know more people working on actual issues outside than inside.


I still see Obama as a person of change. He continus to propose needed change and attempt to pull our tushes out of the fire.

Yea, he's a change kind of guy - not all change is good. And he should be getting our tushes out of the fire since he has put them more deeply into the fire ever since he got in office.


If you aredilusional (sic) that this all started last January- you are worse off than I thought.

It's that reading comprehension thing again Janette. I never said this all started last January.


Personally, I prefer 10% unemployment to 25%- but you may prefer the later.

Last time we had 25% unemployment - a Democrat was in the white house. Just sayin...

The problem could have been worse- much worse. The spending out of congress for worthless things in the last 20 years has been crazy.

The Obama administration over the last six months has dwarfed that.

The lack of regualtion has been worse- causing the mess that we are in. If brokerages had been monitored, the banks kept in check and people with no money had been rejected for mortgages,we could have solved health care long ago.

Agreed. On the other hand banks were forced to make unsafe loans because of fair housing regulations. Realistic business practices work. Stupid government interference doesn't.

Fortuantely, because I listen to people on the ground and the interviews- I saved most of my retirement money. How about you?

I'm wondering why it's relevant? So because you have most of your retirement money (I'm guessing in your mattress so it wouldn't be affected by the crash last fall) it doesn't matter that a lot of your fellow citizens lost a great percentage of their savings?

The President is the commander in chief/ head of foriegn policy. I do approve of what is happening to fix the mess in the middle east

He hasn't done much different from the prior administration.

and his attempt to reach out to the rest of the world (not just Europe).

North Korea.


What is wrong with reading something on the plane? Have you been on a plane lately?

I'm not the intellectual giant Obama is, but I think I would need a little more time and concentration than what is afforded on an airplane to read a book on bioethics given to me by the Pope. His little "quip" made it sound like a trivial little fluff piece. Of course this is the same guy who gave an iPod full of his speeches to the queen so I guess that's all we can expect.


BTW- you do know someone who is getting stimulus money- that would be your son( public works)


My son works for a private, for profit company.

Janette said...

"The only channel that I am aware of that runs full speeches 24/7 is C-span. All the others, including the ones you mentioned show excerpts. Maybe you can get full length speeches on their web sites but not without commentary."

Then you have not watched them. CNBC often runs entire speeches-live. I mentioned I listened to CSPAN- which you discounted. You also do not read editorials written in the Times or Journal. That is obvious. In case you are not aware- editorials in these papers are often written by the people making policy.

I did not answer you question on books because I did not see it. Your commentary on life is not my center, neither is this blog. I enjoy it at times, other times- not so much.Lately I have found you to be rude.
Frankly, most books are a base, but they are not where we are now. We are in uncharted territory- caused by the policies of the last twenty years.
And no, my money is not in my mattress. I made plenty in the market and enjoy other investments. The ignorance of watching or jumping into the housing market when it was bubbling was something a person could see, if they watched. I watched and pulled when it was falling apart. Again, something I know a bit about- that you do not seem to understand at all.

"Personally, I prefer 10% unemployment to 25%- but you may prefer the later."

"Last time we had 25% unemployment - a Democrat was in the white house. Just sayin... "

And farms were failing and people were moving to the city from the country.....
The Republicans put us there- the Democrats (actually the war) pulled us out. Maybe another stop at the history books would be in order for you. Congress puts us here every sixty or so years. Unfortuantely the brokerages put the rest of the world in our mess.

"My son works for a private, for profit company."

Who , most likely, makes the majority of their money from public funds. Oh yes, you don't really benifit from that- like the public schools who use the instruments your husband works on. How about when medical transcripts go automated- looks like a real possiblity.

"I also am friends with families with members in the service. So I'm a little unclear on what you exactly mean in that sentence?"

IRL- and they work in what? I have great doubts that you know many people IRL who actually work in public or international policy.

Elena said...

Then you have not watched them. CNBC often runs entire speeches-live.

Not without commentary they don't.


You also do not read editorials written in the Times or Journal. That is obvious.

About as obvious that you do not listen to conservative talk radio. But that's fine. I can put that on my list of "must reads." Both are, after all, subjective commentary. The Times and the Journal lean to the left, and conservative talk radio to the right. That's the only difference. I do subscribe to the Huffington Post and look at that almost daily. They frequently link to both of those periodicals.

In case you are not aware- editorials in these papers are often written by the people making policy.

...insert eye roll here. They are also frequently written just by people who an opinion on the topic! Which isn't wrong or right, it just is. And "making policy" doesn't necessarily mean the opinion is wrong or right either. It may just be more of an indicator of how things are going to happen one way or the other.

I did not answer you question on books because I did not see it.

That's cool. Surprising since you seemed to comment regularly on just about everything I wrote on every topic but understandable.

Lately I have found you to be rude.

Yea? Well i didn't think your comment about "works of mercy" when I was trying to make some life or decisions for my dying mother was in the best of taste either. SO I guess we're even.

We are in uncharted territory- caused by the policies of the last twenty years.

LOL! We're in uncharted territory caused by the policies of the last 180 days!!

And no, my money is not in my mattress. I made plenty in the market and enjoy other investments.

Ah... well perhaps YOU should be writing a column. Lots of other people are in the tank with their savings. Even CNBC and CNN have talked about that Janette? Surprised you missed it!

Again, something I know a bit about- that you do not seem to understand at all.

Why. I didn't invest in the housing market - well other than to actually OWN a house.


The Republicans put us there- the Democrats (actually the war) pulled us out.


Sweetie, Roosevelt, Johnson and Carter were Democrats.

Maybe another stop at the history books would be in order for you.

OK, if you'll reread a high school civics book. I still have the comment where you hoped Obama, would use the line item veto...

"My son works for a private, for profit company."

Who , most likely, makes the majority of their money from public funds. Oh yes, you don't really benifit from that- like the public schools who use the instruments your husband works on.

I know you have a point Janette, but I'll be danged if you've gotten to it yet.

How about when medical transcripts go automated- looks like a real possiblity.

"I also am friends with families with members in the service. So I'm a little unclear on what you exactly mean in that sentence?"

IRL- and they work in what? I have great doubts that you know many people IRL who actually work in public or international policy.


True. So? You want to be able to hint that you know these big shot people without naming names and I'm supposed to take that as a primary source. You debated AOL long enough to know that won't fly Janette. And let's just say I'm a little skeptical of your unnamed sources.

Janette said...

"Yea? Well i didn't think your comment about "works of mercy" when I was trying to make some life or decisions for my dying mother was in the best of taste either. SO I guess we're even. "
You were considering not visiting. Your visit the next day you found that nursing care facilities are not exactly perfect- which I found out with my father on the same type of visit- after a priest told me to continue to visit as a corporal work of mercy.
My father died in agony- alone after a long visit- two years ago. I can still feel his hands.

"Sweetie, Roosevelt, Johnson and Carter were Democrats."

Honey- we were talking great depression- that would be Wilson before Roosevelt.

Last comment here-
I'll leave rude to you.

I am off to Yale for some input for my pretend world history classroom.

Elena said...

"Yea? Well i didn't think your comment about "works of mercy" when I was trying to make some life or decisions for my dying mother was in the best of taste either. SO I guess we're even. "
You were considering not visiting.


OK, this is absolutely the last time I will ever discuss this with you. My sister and I were considering cutting back our visits in the hope that maybe it would encourage mom TO TRY HARDER AT HER PHYSICAL THERAPY SESSIONS. As we knew her better than YOU, and we knew that sometimes she could be a malingerer, we wondered if fewer visits would encourage her to try harder so that she could get her chemo and get the hell out of there. I had also posted a link to a site that suggested that maybe frequent visits to cancer patients caused the patient more grief than good. It was something we were considering in our desperate need to figure out a way out of that mess despite the only way out that loomed at the end - which was death. As it turns out that was the only option in the end available to her and to us.

Your comment hurtful and not very thoughtful and frankly I expected more from someone who had supposedly been following our journey.


"Sweetie, Roosevelt, Johnson and Carter were Democrats."

Honey- we were talking great depression- that would be Wilson before Roosevelt.


Franklin Roosevelt was the president during the depression and it is widely thought by historians and economists that his policies and practices deepened and lengthened the great depression. Obama is merely repeating history.


I am off to Yale for some input for my pretend world history classroom.

Ah... Yale- another bastion of liberal thought.

Janette, you have been and will always be (and I've "known" you now for 10 years) a liberal. Abortion might be the only issue where you are a conservative but you're even willing to put that aside if it interferes with your other liberal ideals - and that is why you were so supportive of Obama, the most liberal and most pro-abortion president this nation has ever elected. And you will remain in this muddled way of thinking because you continue to expose and absorb liberal thought in everything you read and watch.

So I hardly think you should be admonishing anyone for listening to conservative talk shows when you are never expose yourself to anything outside of your comfort zone.

Have fun partying with your "unnamed" high ranking policy making friends - yea right.